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Post by cosmic on Apr 9, 2012 20:53:33 GMT -5
Lol maxi it's fun how we do that. Lots changed in the first ymb -> here and now changing here -> rantfinance
I think it's evolution
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Post by natsalilfly on Apr 9, 2012 23:02:15 GMT -5
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Post by tendermyshares on Apr 10, 2012 8:46:17 GMT -5
I don't see anything obvious on the rantfinance site that would indicate how and where I should find the "message board" portion, or that there is one.
I went to sign up for groups based on fang's post. I don't see anything obvious on rantfinance that tells me that that feature exists, that I should use it, or that it is necessary to view message boards.
When I signed up for the trading board, and clicked on the board title next to the sign up button, I landed on a page that said "You have left the group", with a "leave group" button below. I don't think that message is correct.
It looks like the trading message area is basically kind of "shoutouts" followed by potential replies. This is not useful to me. I need topics with subject lines followed by discussions that are easy to find by subject line. Even Yahoo has that though they didn't back in the bad old days.
I don't think it's useful to me to have different groups, thus requiring me to view an entirely separate forum, for currency, and a host of other topics, that I wish could all be available from one page.
Just my first impressions. I'll dig around more but I'm not so crazy about the layout right now and don't really have time for this. To be honest, I am finding the format difficult to deal with and unappealing, sorry.
I see that I should click member activity and then the submenus for "groups directory", but how would I ever know to go there?
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Post by cosmic on Apr 10, 2012 9:01:06 GMT -5
I don't see anything obvious on the rantfinance site that would indicate how and where I should find the "message board" portion, or that there is one. I went to sign up for groups based on fang's post. I don't see anything obvious on rantfinance that tells me that that feature exists, that I should use it, or that it is necessary to view message boards. When I signed up for the trading board, and clicked on the board title next to the sign up button, I landed on a page that said "You have left the group", with a "leave group" button below. I don't think that message is correct. It looks like the trading message area is basically kind of "shoutouts" followed by potential replies. This is not useful to me. I need topics with subject lines followed by discussions that are easy to find by subject line. Even Yahoo has that though they didn't back in the bad old days. I don't think it's useful to me to have different groups, thus requiring me to view an entirely separate forum, for currency, and a host of other topics, that I wish could all be available from one page. Just my first impressions. I'll dig around more but I'm not so crazy about the layout right now and don't really have time for this. To be honest, I am finding the format difficult to deal with and unappealing, sorry. I see that I should click member activity and then the submenus for "groups directory", but how would I ever know to go there? Good morning. Thanks for the feedback! We are working on a FAQ that we'll post on the homepage The layout is a change, a real evolution. Choosing groups you wish to interact in is different - you don't have to see everything, you 'subscribe' to what your interested in and can ignore the rest. We heard that loud and clear - many said "I don't even go into the Saloon anymore because of [...]" and the Saloon was really nice, but there were types of posts in there that belonged somewhere else. I think that this solves that.
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Post by dino on Apr 10, 2012 9:11:41 GMT -5
Should we think of the Trading Floor as the daily PPDT Thead?
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Post by tendermyshares on Apr 10, 2012 9:12:04 GMT -5
I don't mind choosing groups, but within the groups I need posts grouped by subject with the ability to post screenshots. The shoutout format is absolutely killing me.
I would never know, nor would anyone else, to click on "member activity" to get submenus for group directory and forum directory.
Also, when I click "forum directory", it doesn't seem to be a directory at all, but a list of most recent shoutouts. It's also very slow to move to the selected page. What indeed is a forum as opposed to a group? They seem to be identical.
That's probably enough feedback for today lol.
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Post by dino on Apr 10, 2012 9:14:28 GMT -5
3. Don't have a third yet but I'll let you know if I come across anything else! to tender's point - not being able to modify a post kind of sucks. i found that out the hard way this morning posting on nat's blog. oh, and i do miss the "like" button...
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Post by cosmic on Apr 10, 2012 9:21:20 GMT -5
I don't mind choosing groups, but within the groups I need posts grouped by subject with the ability to post screenshots. The shoutout format is absolutely killing me. I would never know, nor would anyone else, to click on "member activity" to get submenus for group directory and forum directory. Also, when I click "forum directory", it doesn't seem to be a directory at all, but a list of most recent shoutouts. It's also very slow to move to the selected page. What indeed is a forum as opposed to a group? They seem to be identical. That's probably enough feedback for today lol. Forum Directory has a few options - I made a screen print that shows the dropdown box. When set to Last Active, it's equivalent to the Most Recent Posts (or Latest Topics) here. When set to Most Posts you can see which Topics are trending, and Unreplied shows all the lonely messages that need some replies
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Post by cosmic on Apr 10, 2012 9:24:17 GMT -5
3. Don't have a third yet but I'll let you know if I come across anything else! to tender's point - not being able to modify a post kind of sucks. i found that out the hard way this morning posting on nat's blog. oh, and i do miss the "like" button... I remember when I added the Like/Dislike at this site and people were really upset lol. I got 6 hate mails in 10 minutes from Kess, and she actually left the forum because of them, as did a few others. At the new site we will be using Social Sharing buttons. We are interested in an internal only Like system, and are debating the merits.
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Post by jack on Apr 10, 2012 9:27:34 GMT -5
You really expect one's actual birthdate? That's not very compsec smart imo and I ain't giving it there nor my surname - I don't want timber coming after me when Obama loses the election.
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Post by tendermyshares on Apr 10, 2012 9:36:12 GMT -5
You can just put your username as your "real name" and it will never know. Also someone said above just select the dashes on top of the birthdate numbers instead of any numbers -- Mine then defaulted to 1970, and I selected dashes again while editing my profile as bros said above, not sure what happened after that. There could be a checkbox to not display one's birthdate, as here. I never put my real birthdate for any sites, as it usually only serves to have ad traffic directed toward you based on your age. Regarding the different groups, yeah it's all the rage to have groups on social websites, but I would strongly disagree that because some members may have said they won't go to the saloon on this site is a reason to have separate groups for everything. The saloon is just one thing, and I don't know that anyone said they "will never go to" some other particular forum, or wish to never read it. I'm not saying groups are bad, but I'm not sure about the rationale Cosmic just presented. So let this be my last feedback for today, and my last read of this thread, because my experience so far has been rather negative, and I don't want to be negative especially. I prefer to be supportive. I just can't right now. There are a few items that I haven't yet mentioned that are based on the bigger website picture but I don't want to get into that. You really expect one's actual birthdate? That's not very compsec smart imo and I ain't giving it there nor my surname - I don't want timber coming after me when Obama loses the election.
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Post by cosmic on Apr 10, 2012 9:47:40 GMT -5
So let this be my last feedback for today, and my last read of this thread, because my experience so far has been rather negative, and I don't want to be negative especially. I prefer to be supportive. I just can't right now. There are a few items that I haven't yet mentioned that are based on the bigger website picture but I don't want to get into that. It's unfortunate that your experience at Rantfinance so far has been negative. Keep in mind this is a soft launch and there will be many changes over the next few weeks. Through your feedback the site will only get better.
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Post by cosmic on Apr 10, 2012 9:51:25 GMT -5
You really expect one's actual birthdate? That's not very compsec smart imo and I ain't giving it there nor my surname - I don't want timber coming after me when Obama loses the election. Jack, those fields are all optional and we're going to try and modify the form to make it better.
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Post by birthmark on Apr 10, 2012 11:12:08 GMT -5
I'm gonna need MAJOR hand holding to enter this Brave New (cyber) World.
Am I to assume that when the switch is made, this site will no longer exist?
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Post by yjfang on Apr 10, 2012 11:23:58 GMT -5
Guys...change is inevitable. It will be uncomfortable at first but eventually you will begin to enjoy the new features. Look how much better Fastopia was compared to the old YMB. Brosin and Cos have done a good job creating an "enhanced" Fastopia in Rant Finance with all the cool bells and whistles.
These guys have worked really hard and will continue to do so for our benefit. We should support them no matter what!
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Post by natsalilfly on Apr 10, 2012 11:39:58 GMT -5
Yes I agree they've done a great job and are trying really hard to be sure we all have our creature comforts!
I'm finding that the Last Actives is not the same as the 60 Most Recent posts on Proboards, which I use all the time. The Last Actives takes you to a page similar to the FME, where you can see which threads have the latest posts and then enter it. However, when you use the Most Recent posts here, accessed by either the drop down menu on the bottom right or the Home page under Statistics, it takes you to the scroll page where you can see the most recent posts of any thread, and see what everyone is talking about in an instant without entering each individual thread. Am I the only one who primarily navigates Fastopia this way? Or is it something more people than just me would miss? Thanks!
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Post by brosin on Apr 10, 2012 11:50:28 GMT -5
Just replied to Nats via PM over at the new site, but as I said to her because, WOW, I didn't even know about that most recent posts thing here on proboards. Ya learn something new every day - that one went way over my head : I think this is what this would be: it’s still just as easy as 1 click and then changing a dropdown: Go to the standard Member Activity screen – www.rantfinance.com/activity/Then in the drop down box, do ”forum replies” – It goes on forever then without needing to go to a new page! No need to only see 60, you can see it forever if you do the little ”see more” thing Then it’s even got the little added bonus where you can do this to see not everyone’s replies but just those of your friends if you want. You’d click the ”My Friends” button or the "My Groups" button and do the same thing on the dropdown box to do Forum Replies. That way you can really customize what you're seeing if you want to rather than seeing everything. Again up to the user!
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Post by deadmoney95 on Apr 10, 2012 11:55:54 GMT -5
Am I alone in thinking that Fastopia is pretty great, and that this new site seems really really complicated? This seems to be going in the opposite direction of most major websites I frequent -- the best are getting cleaner, leaner and more focused. The "rant" is overwhelming and I am an info junkie.
I'm not trying to hate at all. But like tender and maxi, I feel like I've wandered into a crazy carnival of delights and I'm just looking for a cool quiet place to listen to people talk about trading, which is what the current site offers.
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Post by natsalilfly on Apr 10, 2012 12:08:34 GMT -5
Just replied to Nats via PM over at the new site, but as I said to her because, WOW, I didn't even know about that most recent posts thing here on proboards. Ya learn something new every day - that one went way over my head : I think this is what this would be: it’s still just as easy as 1 click and then changing a dropdown: Go to the standard Member Activity screen – www.rantfinance.com/activity/Then in the drop down box, do ”forum replies” – IF YOU HIT "UPDATES" IT SEEMS TO LIST THEM IN ORDER, AND IF YOU SELECT "EVERYTHING" IT'LL SHOW NEW MEMBERS, ETC TOO - THANKS BROSIN THIS HELPS ME ADJUST - NATS img703.imageshack.us/img703/7424/mostrecentposts.pngIt goes on forever then without needing to go to a new page! No need to only see 60, you can see it forever if you do the little ”see more” thing Then it’s even got the little added bonus where you can do this to see not everyone’s replies but just those of your friends if you want. You’d click the ”My Friends” button or the "My Groups" button and do the same thing on the dropdown box to do Forum Replies. That way you can really customize what you're seeing if you want to rather than seeing everything. Again up to the user!
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Post by natsalilfly on Apr 10, 2012 12:20:06 GMT -5
Am I alone in thinking that Fastopia is pretty great, and that this new site seems really really complicated? This seems to be going in the opposite direction of most major websites I frequent -- the best are getting cleaner, leaner and more focused. The "rant" is overwhelming and I am an info junkie. I'm not trying to hate at all. But like tender and maxi, I feel like I've wandered into a crazy carnival of delights and I'm just looking for a cool quiet place to listen to people talk about trading, which is what the current site offers. I think that you can customize it to be a recognizable world. See Brosin's post & my comments in this thread about how to replicate my favorite Fastopia feature, the 60 Most Recent functions, in our Rant site.
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Post by brosin on Apr 10, 2012 13:22:39 GMT -5
Question - when you registered with the site, did your activation email go to your inbox or to your spam? I know it is pretty common for wordpress emails to get auto-sent to spam and am curious about what everyone's seeing
Thanks!
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Post by maxi on Apr 10, 2012 14:12:26 GMT -5
Am I alone in thinking that Fastopia is pretty great, and that this new site seems really really complicated? This seems to be going in the opposite direction of most major websites I frequent -- the best are getting cleaner, leaner and more focused. The "rant" is overwhelming and I am an info junkie. I'm not trying to hate at all. But like tender and maxi, I feel like I've wandered into a crazy carnival of delights and I'm just looking for a cool quiet place to listen to people talk about trading, which is what the current site offers. I do not want to denigrate all the work that Cos and Brian have done. But the site is just way too much with too many choices and too many buttons. Simplicity works. Complexity just pushes the average person away. I have minor experience in website design. Very minor. My husband tho is in the business. I will not be able to use the new site easily if at all unless it is pared down and compartmentalized by at least 60% of what it is now. There is so much going on it slows down my computer. It takes forever to get from page to page. I don't think you necessarily have to eliminate any parts. But the groupings need work.
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Post by deadmoney95 on Apr 10, 2012 14:20:10 GMT -5
i think the homepage needs work. is there no way to get real time market quotes on the home page? the 20-minute delayed numbers are worthless at best, and at worse can lead to all sorts of unfortunate confusion.
and right now that homepage is dominated by just two business news headliens. i can get headlines from cnbc and bloomberg, i would be coming to rant to, well, hear some rants, not get mass business media news.
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Post by deadmoney95 on Apr 10, 2012 14:22:12 GMT -5
I do not want to denigrate all the work that Cos and Brian have done. me neither.
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Post by natsalilfly on Apr 10, 2012 15:16:37 GMT -5
Today would be a good day to do a market rant! But, that's not my type of blog to write, any volunteers? Also, those articles on the front page are by Cos and Bros. One thing that has always amazed Fastopians is how our leaders have run this place for free, the only thing they have received is our thanks and our fellowship - and not always that. Well, I'm gonna say this straight, now they will get kick backs from the internet for their hard work. Also, Kryptos and Ask can be compensated for their daily work - it may not be a bunch of money, but they deserve whatever they get and I want them to have it. All of us have an opportunity to do so too, if we desire. That doesn't have to change our daily get togethers on the board, just the format. If we don't want to "rant" (write news articles or blogs) and want to remain the same supportive network on the message board, we can do that. But I see this change as a way to inject longeivity in the idea of Fastopia. As you can tell, the board has lost some of its vitality. And, the nature of organization is decay, unless steps are taken to nurture and feed it. So, we should be able to draw new, quality people (who need to be rescued from the YMB just as much as we did!) who can add to our discussion. We may even draw some people back, since we are providing appropriate room for them. Some people may not ever have left Fastopia if we were able to respond to needed changes faster. This is just how I see it. The purpose of the soft roll out is for us to make the new board what we want. I think we just need to remember to be patient and be as clear as possible about what we're asking. We're not denigrating them by asking for what we want, Bros & Cos are working feverishly & courteously to make this a good home for us! And, one that will be here, with our help, for a long time to come.
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Post by commodityypro on Apr 10, 2012 15:17:37 GMT -5
i think the homepage needs work. is there no way to get real time market quotes on the home page? the 20-minute delayed numbers are worthless at best, and at worse can lead to all sorts of unfortunate confusion. and right now that homepage is dominated by just two business news headliens. i can get headlines from cnbc and bloomberg, i would be coming to rant to, well, hear some rants, not get mass business media news. DM I agree. I am going to write and article later today and post to the headline. I am trying to write more from a "Rant" type prospective instead of just regurgitating a news headline with different wording. As well, me living in the SF area, I would think it possible to actually get some interviews 1st hand from influential business leaders and analysts in this area. These types of stories I think will make RANT stand out from say Yahoo or Bloomberg. To piggy back as well on what Maxi was saying. I did mention to Cos and Bros that the change would be the toughest fight as many people, including myself, are resistant to change especially once you are dialed in to a certain way or process. Change involves added time and learning of the new way, which lets face it, many don't want to deal with.
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Post by jack on Apr 10, 2012 15:18:22 GMT -5
I do not want to denigrate all the work that Cos and Brian have done. me neither. Denigrate me I don't care
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Post by brosin on Apr 10, 2012 15:46:55 GMT -5
i think the homepage needs work. is there no way to get real time market quotes on the home page? the 20-minute delayed numbers are worthless at best, and at worse can lead to all sorts of unfortunate confusion. and right now that homepage is dominated by just two business news headliens. i can get headlines from cnbc and bloomberg, i would be coming to rant to, well, hear some rants, not get mass business media news. DM I agree. I am going to write and article later today and post to the headline. I am trying to write more from a "Rant" type prospective instead of just regurgitating a news headline with different wording. As well, me living in the SF area, I would think it possible to actually get some interviews 1st hand from influential business leaders and analysts in this area. These types of stories I think will make RANT stand out from say Yahoo or Bloomberg. To piggy back as well on what Maxi was saying. I did mention to Cos and Bros that the change would be the toughest fight as many people, including myself, are resistant to change especially once you are dialed in to a certain way or process. Change involves added time and learning of the new way, which lets face it, many don't want to deal with. Yeah I agree whole-heartedly with this (newsy stuff vs bloggy/ranty stuff). We just gotta start somewhere which is why we need at least some news media stuff to act as kind of fillers and transition it into what it will become which is hopefully a big blog network that doesn't yet exist other than maybe like seekingalpha The more folks who put together readable blog posts and rant-type stuff, the better! We'll always looking for people who want to contribute to the bigger goal and compensate them for their efforts. As my brother said to me when it came to Rant Sports (one of the things that stuck with me and made me excited to join them as a full time employee): we're not doing this to become another ESPN or Bleacher Report. That's boring. We're doing this to become the only Rant Sports. It translates well to finance too: we're not doing this to become another CNBC or even another Seeking Alpha, we're doing this to become the only Rant Finance with Fastopia 3.0 as the backbone!
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Post by brosin on Apr 10, 2012 16:03:03 GMT -5
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Post by yjfang on Apr 10, 2012 17:44:51 GMT -5
I am glad that someone mentioned the blogging of original content and the potential for getting paid to write it. There are lots of smart folks here on Fastopia with terrific insight and charting skills, and once they are chiming in on a regular basis, Rant Finance will be an unique financial site.
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